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I was reading about a couple of different Ba Gua masters, and the material was saying that they had developed the "dragon body." Is this some sort of flexibility thing? What does this refer to?
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Re: Dragon Body
Fri, December 2, 2005 - 8:26 PMDragon body describes the essential turning motion of the body of Ba Gua. You develope and issue power from the waist just like a dragon. It also describes one of the main characteristics of Cheng Ting Hua's Style of Ba Gua.
Like Capoeira, it's meant to confuse your opponent as well as give you ultimate flexibility to strike in all directions easily.
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Tue, January 24, 2006 - 11:54 AMActually what this refers to goes further than just issuing power from the waist. It really means that the body can issue many different jings or, for the purposes of this discussion, directions of force simultaneously. Ther can be say wrapping, pulling, pushing, and hooking all at the same time all with different parts of the body and all completely connected internally ideally. This is not that hard to do, but it takes a while to train the body, and that is hard. This term was used in B.K. Frantzis' book to describe my late great-grandteacher Hong Yi Xiang. The waist is a prominent characteristic of the dragon body in Gao style Bagua due to the Long Je Yao or dragon folds waist aspect of the Long Xing Chuan Shou Zhang, or dragon form peircing hand palm.
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Wed, March 22, 2006 - 6:51 PMThere is a list of animal attributes that I've heard my master rattle off every now and then-
Chicken Legs
Bear Shoulders
Dragon Body
The idea that a dragon has a big coiling body, that can move in any direction, change directions smothly, and be fluid while emiting force. I take it to be the equivelant of coiling in chen style taiji. -
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Sun, August 3, 2008 - 3:36 AMReptilian slang for transformed raw sexual energy. -
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Re: Dragon Body
Mon, August 11, 2008 - 5:29 PM>"There is a list of animal attributes that I've heard my master rattle off every now and then-
Chicken Legs
Bear Shoulders
Dragon Body
The idea that a dragon has a big coiling body, that can move in any direction, change directions smothly, and be fluid while emiting force. I take it to be the equivelant of coiling in chen style taiji."
Yes on the first part, I disagree on the second.
Coiling as I understand it in Chen Taiji is more unidimensional as opposed to the mutlidimensionality of the dragon body.
I would think of it more like a bit more like drunken boxing then coiling.
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Mon, September 1, 2008 - 1:53 PMProbably reference to astral "body", modestly my best bet?
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Re: Dragon Body
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:30 PMThe only place I have heard of "dragon body" was in mediation- with the Dragon, or Lung. As I have gathered in those meditations, it is to become like the Lung (oriental dragon), which moves fluidly like water- able to move in any direction and change in response to stimulus and also to mould around any obstical. And that implies coiling- not in the sense that a spring is coiled, which is very fixed and unidimensional, but the coiling of a snake, or Lung, which gives it a 360degree strike point.
The Dragon/lung is one of the primary spiritual drivers behind most martial arts- to become like the dragon is no brainer.
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Re: Dragon Body
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 9:16 AMI have heard my teacher refer to cultivating the 'Dragon Body' in Chen style, though I don't know if this is from traditional sources or his own experience..... I know that the metaphor works well for me..... my understanding of the energy of the dragon is very much associated with the Qi, and the image is of the dragon flying through the clouds - twisting and playing in whatever way it will without obstruction.
Sometimes i think these slogans don't have any specific meaning, but are fruitful subjects of meditation.... this posting has given me lot's to contemplate - Dragon as transformed sexual energy, the astral body, etc. things I hadn't thought of before, but do make some sense compared to my experience.
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Re: Dragon Body
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 9:58 PMHmmm...
Yes many things to think about- a good metaphor should do that.
Of course all these things- from the physical act of twisting and spiraling through your body, to astral travel, transformed sexual power, etc. are suitable attributes of "Dragon Body"- at least my take on it. The Dragon body I have learned is definitely a Tantric exersize and thus the transmutation of sexual energy, which then can lead to astral travel.
In the mediations I do where this very much comes into play- I have travelled many places, and definitely transformed sexual and other energies. Dragon body is also extremely effective at dissolving fear.
The wonderful thing about the Lung- as we should acctually be calling it- is that their temperments are much more subtle and tend toward less antagonistic states of mind than their Western cousins who had so much trouble with the Angelic choir of the Christian hierarchy. There are of course reasons that Dragons earned a bad reputation in the West- not all of it having to do with their firey nature. In the East, we have a different family of Dragon- the Lung (or "Long) who held much more revered status- due in part to their more compassionate nature. Another thing that also differentiates them from the Western Dragon is that their power depends more on their ability to become like a tornado whose axis can be anywhere in the sphere, whereas the W. Dragon depends up on more upon fire power.The Lung move like water and are more connected to water than the W. Dragon, while at the same time are also more associated with the Heavens- most especially the Tienlung. And so to emulate them is also the "soft power" of Ba Gua and other internal arts- the ability to mould around and opponent or obstacle like water. The association of Qi cultivation here is also relevent, as water is the primary carrier of Qi, or what in Anthroposophy we call the etheric. The image you invoke of the dragon flying through the clouds has real scientific implication- look here: www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/smcd/....html, click on Pacific WV loop, and tell me what you see.
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